Friday, December 30, 2005


Hey Bill! Here is your pic!

What locality is this little beaute?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005


Patternless blondes DO exist!!...well one does anyway

Longtime herp breeder, Richard Trant of England, produced this amazing patternless blonde male in '02. The rest of its siblings were normally patterned blondes (is that an oxymoron?). He plans on breeding it back to its mother this coming season. Thanks to Richard for supplying the pictures.

Monday, December 26, 2005


an interesting post from KS by Aaron Mattson about the gray vs. silvers

Hey Dusty, glad you posted those pics.
A little history, that "silver" suboc was collected by Shawn Deveroe in 1999 in the Christmas Mtns. when we were both there and I got it from him. There has been skepticism by people that have only seen pics of that snake and I can't say it's unwarrented. I have never gotten a good pic of that snake. I will say that every hunter who saw it in person said anerythristic. At the time I thought so too but now I would say more correctly it is hypoxanthic. There is not a trace of yellow on the snake anywhere however the head and the longitudinal dorsal stripes that connect the H-Bars are a faded brown. The ground color is gray and the H-Bars themselves are black. Last year I bred it to a wild caught normal female suboc also from the Christmas Mtns. I got six babies and all were normal dark beige. I no longer have either of the adults or the babies. In 2002 Ric Blair and I collected another "silver" at Black Gap. The colors are exactly the same as the Christmas "silver" except the gray is much lighter. Last year I bred her to a wild caught normal male from Black Gap and produced 4.3 and I kept 2.1, Ric got 1.1 and Shannon Brown got 1.1. All of those babies were very pale cream, but not white and not silver. The 2.1 I kept are developing more color and they look like they are going to be just normal light colored subocs. This year I bred the same pair and got 3.3 and all are just like the ones from the previous breeding, pale cream. I will refrain from commenting on Sighthunters snakes because I have not seen them in person and I know how inaccurate pictures can be.

Now a little info on the so called gray phase that is mentioned sometimes in field guides. I have read there is a gray phase that occurs naturally in the Franklin Mtns. I do not think it could be very common there because I have a friend who hunted the Franklins alot for many years for lepidus and he has seen many subocs there but never a gray phase. Maybe there is a population in the Franklins where they are common but everything I have heard and what you just reviewed indicates that it is a rare morph that occurs sporadically throughout their range. I think the natural gray phase and the "silvers" I have and have had are possibly the same thing and I think that is that they are naturally occuring but rare hypoxanthic subocs. I think the variation from very light to regular gray is is possibly the same gene acting on different base colors. My opinion is based on ten years of hunting west TX and I have seen hundreds of wild subocs of all phases, cream, yellow, orange, biege and even light army green.

My sincere opinion is that the "silver" Black Gaps will prove to be simple recessive. "Silvers" did not show up for me in the first generation from 2 clutches and I have never seen a snake that is (in person at least) so obviously a color morph of some sort eventually prove out either simple recessive or co-dominant. I would not be suprised if all those you mentioned, including the axanthic blonds were compatible. The reason I think even the axanthic blonds may be compatible is because they already lack the longitudinal dorsal stripes so there are no stripes there to be brown. This could also acount for the lack of any brown on the heads of the axanthic blondes. Anyways that is just my personal opinion and I am not claiming it is 100% correct. I should be able to bred the unproven het males to their mother in 2007 and maybe I will find out for sure about at least my snake then.

Monday, December 12, 2005


New Logo Created

Here is the logo that Amy and I put together for the web site. Tell me what you think.

Friday, December 09, 2005


Loma Alta bloodline '03 albino het subadult male

Here he is, Mike...if you wanted to see him. I also have three of his brothers...two triple hets (albino x silver blonde), one albino and one sister, a triple het female. Of coarse, they are all half-siblings.
Adam Sweetman owned the albino male that sired all of these animals. I believe Dave Katz now owns that male.

Friday, December 02, 2005


New links added

Check out the new convenient links to some "Bogey Breeders" and other herp-related websites below. We will add more soon!

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